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Join Adam Barralet, Kyle Perez , Ashley Leavy and Nicholas Pearson in Episode #25 of the Crystal Confab Podcast as they do a deep dive into Pietersite meaning, including:

• Pietersite and New Moon in Aries
• High magic and Pietersite
• Being in the ‘eye of the storm’ with Pietersite
• Formation and energy of Pietersite

Tune in now for a deeper look at Pietersite meaning!

Podcast Transcript:

Crystal Confab Podcast Introduction: Are you just starting with crystals? Or maybe you have a whole collection but aren’t sure how to use them? Join four crystal nerds, healers, workers, and lovers for crystal confab, a casual chat about all things crystals.

Adam Barralet: Nature is truly awe inspiring, and there’s nothing more inspiring than a thunderstorm. I love them. I love the power and the rumble of the thunder, the flashes of the lightning, and the electricity that surges through the sky. And whenever there is an electrical storm, there’s one crystal I run and grab. It’s my Pietersite.

And that’s the crystal we’ve decided to confab today. I’m here with Ashley, Kyle, and Nicholas, and we’re about to dive into the stone of the storm. How are we today, everyone?

Nicholas Pearson: Excited.

Adam: Yay. It’s an electrical kind of crystal, isn’t it, Nicholas? And I know you’ve got some really great information to share with us about its formation because it’s a really interesting looking crystal. And I’m sure the formation is really potent as well. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Nicholas: Yeah. I have to preface this by saying, this, in no uncertain terms, is one of my all time favorite minerals. And I know we’ve all said that more than once, but this is the first gemstone that I truly took one look at and fell in love with. I remember visiting my local little crystal shop in the teeny tiny town I grew up in, and I’d seen almost everything in every single case except for this one dark stone in the back corner that didn’t quite have a light reaching it. And so finally, you know, I turned to the owner of the shop.

I’m like, what is this one? He’s like, oh, Pietersite. I think you’d actually like this. I’m surprised you’d never seen it. At that moment, he brought it out and I could turn it in the light.

I was in love. Now in that stage of my life, I was all of, like, maybe 12 years old. I just didn’t have $68 to spend on a pretty chunky cabochon. I do wish that I had that money then because, you know, ten, twelve years later, it would have been worth five or seven times that. Thankfully, I’ve seen prices kind of recede a bit in a lot of markets here in North America in the last few years.

So it’s certainly coming out in greater abundance, and I’m really grateful for that. But Pietersite is this stone that’s kind of wrapped in mystery, and I think that’s really appropriate for a gemstone like this. It’s one that, a lot of, let’s say, theories were put forward as to its formation process, but it wasn’t until about, like, fifteen years ago, in 2010 that there were some pretty decent, like, good structural and chemical and optical analyses done that gave us some answers. So we have to address its relatives to better understand what makes it different. And so pietersite is very similar to tiger’s eye, in a lot of ways.

They contain a lot of the same ingredients. They are predominantly quartz. They have these fibrous asbestos forms, we call them, inclusions of crocidolite and some of its altered relatives. There tend to be a lot of iron oxides and hydroxides in both. But in tiger’s eye, we see these kind of broad parallel brush strokes of that chatoyant or cat’s eye like pattern.

And in Pietersitezite, we see anything but that. In fact, the gemological term, and this is one of my favorites for it, my favorite gemological term maybe ever is chaotic chatoyance. And that is what this is. And, hence, it got the nickname tempest stone because it resembles swirling storm clouds. Now for a long time, we thought that it was just a simple case of breccia.

We have something like tiger’s eye that forms, it breaks down, and gets reassembled. That’s what the crystal book said. That’s what your average gemological manual said. You wouldn’t find it in a textbook of geology, but that’s kinda where I left it. And long after the data was collected and published by, you know, a forest, a niche audience, I eventually would come across it just a few years ago.

And the process of making this is so fascinating to me. Really good studies were done of the materials in Namibia as well as in China. And then, there are certain features that really distinguish them from what we anticipated. They kinda break some rules. And they do form as a breccia, which comes from the Italian word, and we talked about it a couple weeks ago when we talked about bloodstone, but it means broken.

So, breccia are usually sedimentary rocks that are clastic. They are broken down and reassembled in some way. But rather than the final product being very closely removed from what it used to look like, there’s actually many stages of formation in this, and it starts with carbonate rocks. So in 1962, a gentleman by the name of Sydney Pietersites, who was a resident of Namibia, found by sawing open some cobbles of dolostone. Think of like limestone, but lots of magnesium in it.

So lots of dolomite rather than just simple calcite. And inside these were pockets of this beautiful chatoyant material. And, of course, being the first just to find it, he named it after himself, hence, Pietersite Zide. But the fact that we find this inside the lines of its limestone equivalent, a carbonate rock, tells us something kind of fascinating about how it formed. When we look at the structures under really good microscopy, we see that rather than big parallel fields that were broken down, we start out with little spherules, like little globes of silica.

So they’re structurally a lot more like chalcedony than we see in the kind of columnar cracked and and and sealed, tiger’s eye. And they tend to nucleate around tiny little crystals, little platelets of hematite. So this fibrous quartz starts around hematite, and, eventually, the hot silica rich fluid that’s depositing this is also somewhat acidic. And so that hot acid begins to eat away at the carbonate rock around it causing it to collapse, creating what’s called a solution breccia. So the breaking happens pretty early on in the stage of this, and it’s very chaotic.

This allows for lots of things to hit each other and break and reorient themselves, and what were once nice parallel fibers are now more like a crazy quilt or patchwork quilt that doesn’t quite line up. This means that the variable composition of the host rock is also going to play a part in altering the products inside it. You can find bits of hematite and what we might just address as limonite or goethite. You can find examples of partially altered barite crystals, little bits of pyrite, fields of calcite and dolomite, as well as the quartz with those fibrous inclusions like we anticipate. And it creates a really interesting environment where things aren’t always predictable.

And sometimes up close, they don’t make a lot of sense. But when we take a step back and we get some distance between us and the little teeny particles, we start to see the beauty that is Pietersite. Pietersite is a stone that for me has always been about embracing chaos. I am a tightly wound person. That is not a surprise to anyone who’s listened to the podcast before or met me in life or really kept up with me on any platform.

I do everything very intensely, and Pietersite is a stone of intensity. But it also reminds us that if we go, you know, fast forward all the time, eventually, we’re gonna burn out. So it’s necessary to cultivate stillness within us. It’s necessary to find our center as it were. And as those little globes of silica are forming, they nucleate around hematite, which itself is such a grounding force, such a stabilizing force.

And in early readings about this gemstone when I could find it in a crystal book because it used to be pretty hard to find in crystal books. That was always how I judged how I felt about a book. Did it have Pietersite’s and what did it say? Did it regurgitate someone else’s stuff? Did it come up with something original?

And if it said something new about Pietersite’s, I got excited and the book came home with me. And and maybe that’s what we’re gonna blame my book buying habit on. That’s entirely it and nothing else. But when these books talk about Pietersite being such a grounding force, I thought, no. No.

It’s not anchoring. It doesn’t weigh us down. It doesn’t tether us to Earth. Instead, it’s, like, grounding us to ourselves. It’s finding whatever kernel of stability that we’ve got within us that we can kind of aggregate around, that we can, you know, keep in touch with.

It helps us kind of communicate between our center and our periphery. How far are we spread at any given time? Can we rein it in, Or is, like, the inertia carrying us outward so strong that the best thing to do is just embrace it? And when we do that, it’s so empowering. It allows us to find that center stillness, the spaciousness within.

I don’t wanna steal from what Kyle has to say later, but I think we’ve arrived at very similar conclusions working with this gemstone. But, being here in Florida, I am no stranger to really big storms of the cyclonic variety. And Pietersite’s site has always come to symbolize the kind of eye of the hurricane to me. It’s the gap in the midst of the chaos. The chaos is still there.

You just gotta create the space inside to embrace it. And so this is a stone that breaks things down, that thrives on decomposition and recomposition. That shows us things don’t have to line up perfectly to be beautiful and make sense, that we can embrace the imperfections of life and find tremendous power in it. There’s something, like, really deeply scorpionic about this stone as well in as much that it represents the quest for, like, unseen truths, for finding your own personal truth and and, like, unraveling that thread. And so it’s been a really wonderful ally for me ever since.

I pulled just a few examples. I’m wearing one of my favorite pendants. But, when I turned 16, my parents tracked down a few precious pieces of it to give to me for a birthday, and I’ve been just on a high ever since. So, you know, I have some examples of the nidimian material, which are not catching the light super well. I’ve got some that appeared in one of my recent books.

Really vibrant. We’ve got blues and golds and reds. Sometimes you can find little bits of purple where the blues and reds get really friendly. I do have some of the Chinese material. I’ve got a skull carved in Chinese Pietersitesite, which is interesting in that its fibers are packed more densely with more hematite in them, so they have a higher specific gravity.

They’re actually heavier than their Namibian counterparts. And three of my most precious pieces don’t come from either of these locations because it it takes it takes a real nerd, to find out that in approximately one half square mile in New Jersey, in a creek bed, mostly dug for carnelian that you can also find Pietersite, and it’s locally known as tausonite. I’m waiting for a colleague to do some chemical analyses, but it has the kind of classic chaotic chatoyancy. This one has blocky little pieces of mostly blue fibers in there. It’s got some carnelian on the underside as well, which suggests that it and the rest of the chalcedony and that region formed together.

I’ve got one with long feathery fibers in it that aren’t showing up well on camera. But by far, my jammiest piece, if we were to, you know, take a close-up of this side by side with some of the nicest Namibian material, you’d go, they’re identical. But in fact, it is from the least likely place on Earth, New Jersey.

Adam: Wow. Nicholas, I’d love to know. Obviously, the three main colors that we find in Pietersites are that deep blue, that nice blood red, and that gold. Do you find a stone with one of those dominant colors? Does the color vary the energy in your opinion?

Nicholas: Yeah. But, you know, I I love a balanced piece. I I love I mean, I’d love a solid red one. I have plenty that are solid gold and plenty that are solid blue, but I I do love the ones where the colors are a little bit friendlier, if you will. And what is causing the variation in color is what is happening to the crocetal-like fibers within it.

So much like in Tiger’s Eye, when we see those deep blues, they’re relatively intact chemically speaking and unoxidized. Over time, they undergo a process of, almost like pseudomorphosis, and we convert at least some of that, sometimes just on the exterior, sometimes all the way through, into iron rich minerals, iron hydroxides mostly. They can undergo further breakdown to produce iron oxide when the hydroxide ions kind of fall off and when they dehydrate a little bit further. So that’s gonna give us the blue to gold to red. Other factors can also affect this, namely heat and pressure.

So in that process we are seeing, you know, thanks to thermodynamics, we know that if we increase one of those things, either heat or pressure, it also nominally increases the other. So just like we can heat any normal tiger’s eye and turn it into red tiger’s eye, we can kinda anticipate the Earth is doing the same where there are zones of greater heat or greater pressure or just greater oxidation and dehydration. We can end up with the red colors in there. So I do find the reds to be a little bit more fiery. The golds are a little bit more stabilizing.

The blue a little bit, say, more attuned to, like, cultivating that sense of clarity, finding the root of things because they are the root material. But, you know, ultimately, even when we can’t see it with our own eyes, we’re all of those colors are gonna be in there. If you look at a really, really good bin section of, even just an ordinary golden tiger’s eye under close magnification, you’re gonna see blue fibers packed amidst the gold. And I imagine the same is also true for this. I just haven’t seen such good micromounts prepared for it because it’s an understudied material, sadly.

And if we have time, I have one other weird Pietersite Zite story, completely unexpected. So I’ve been a lifelong lover of this stone. When I worked in corporate America for my, like, luxury retail gig, we got a lot of international guests time and time again. And one of my quirky little habits is I collected thank yous in foreign languages so I could always thank guests in their native tongue if possible. And we had some guests who were speaking Afrikaans once.

And, although they were from South Africa, they had relocated to Namibia. And I thought, oh, how cool is that? And so I’m searching through the files in my brain, like, how can I relate a personal story to you? And the only thing I could think of was Pietersite’s eyes. I was like, you know, my favorite gemstone comes from Namibia.

It was found in the nineteen sixties by a guy named Sydney Pietersites, and the woman just looks at me with, like, a thousand yard stare, Slack John, and goes, I know Syd. And so I met one of Sydney Pietersite’s friends in Orlando, Florida in a shopping mall.

Adam: Who would have thought? Wow. Wow. It’s definitely a magical stone for sure. It’s got so much power in it.

Do you find, Ashley, that it’s, like, a really good one for that kind of powerful magic and that type of thing?

Ashley Leavy: I do, Adam. So this is like a stone that I always kind of reserve for really high magic. So, like, what on earth does that really mean? So this is for me for intense ceremony, intense ritual. Think of, like, the energy of the magician card and the tarot that, like, deep powerful transformation that can occur just like we get with the storm.

Right? It’s that deep transformation. And so that is really where I find Pietersite can shine. And before I dig into that, I do wanna touch on what Nicholas was talking about in terms of the Pietersite  pricing. And I’ve noticed so first, I always learn something new.

When we did these content episodes, I did not know that there was potentially Pietersite from New Jersey. How wild is that? I think most of us are under the impression that it’s, you know, China and Namibia, and that’s it. So the Chinese material is, generally speaking, usually a little bit more affordable, often not quite as fancy with that chaotic Chatoyancy, but the Namibian stuff can really, really go up in value. Even a very small cab can be quite pricey.

So this year at the Tucson Gem Show just a couple months ago, we were shopping. Lydia, my store manager at Mimosa and I, her favorite stone well, maybe second favorite. I think her favorite is hyperscine, but her second favorite stone would be Pietersite, like, hands down. So she found this Namibian dealer of amazing quality Pietersite and, like, out on their, like, junky, who cares about it, the table outside of their nice room was the stuff that we could maybe even think about buying. And, one kilo bag no.

It wasn’t. It was a pound. It wasn’t even a kilo. It was a pound, so, like, half a kilo. It was 350 US dollars.

Granted, it was quite nice, but oh my goodness. So I said, I love it, but I think we have to pass. So we got no Pietersite this year. And it’s not that the price had gone up or anything. It’s that this is where we happen to find some.

It was coming directly from someone in Namibia who knew the quality that they had. Right? I mean, it was amazing quality. It was those perfect swirls of all the colors in each piece, and it was really nice, but it can be a really pricey stone. So you can find some that’s more affordable, but you lose a lot of that color and that chatoyancy and that beauty, but that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t work with it.

I just wanna put that out there too. The couple pieces that I have, I have some pretty good quality pieces that I might have picked out of a batch of, you know, a little bit less expensive Pietersite, the perks of being the store owner. But outside of that, you know, it’s okay to work with a little bit lower quality if that’s what’s in your budget. So I just wanted to throw that out there to everybody. Like, don’t shy away from a stone just because you can’t get the museum quality pieces or the ones that are so often photographed for the Internet.

Like, it is okay to just work with what’s available. So back to this idea of this high magic. So this is a stone that I really reserve for that super transformative energy. If I need a really big change in my life, if I’m ready to call in something completely different and I am just open to what the universe wants to put in front of me. Right?

Like, you have to kind of go into that space with a lot of trust, but if you can do that and be prepared for it and know that what comes through will be for your highest good even if you can’t see it, and, again, that’s where that trust comes in. This is like I feel like that is the time in life where I reach for this stone. So it really comes down to that kind of swirling eye of the storm effect that Nicholas was talking about a little bit, and that’s because I feel like Pietersite has this really shielding energy. Just like when we’re doing a lot of magical workings, we will cast a circle for protection. I feel like with Pietersite, we’re, like, anchored in that eye of the storm, and all of that energy is swirling around us.

It’s all transforming, taking shape, but we are protected and shielded and grounded in that little different way, in that very magical way, in the center of all that chaos. And because of that, it lets all of these circumstances change where we kind of don’t know where we end up. So it’s not just magicians. It’s a little bit of a wheel of fortune mixed in there too. But the outcome, in my experience, has always been really favorable even if I couldn’t see it at the time.

So when I feel things shifting and changing in bigger ways than I can imagine or envision, I don’t know where I’m headed. I don’t know why something is unhappy or unfolding the way it is. This is when I reach for that Pietersite, and the way that I like to work with it is a super simple crystal grid. So I create a pentacle or a five pointed star out of pieces of Pietersite, just tumbled stones. And, again, mine are not very expensive, not very fancy, so that’s not impossible to get a couple for I think I paid, like, $4 each for my tumbled stones, something like that.

And at the center of that grid, an ammonite fossil to get that momentum, that swirl, that flow of energy is going to call in that sort of anchoring. They really are like an anchor, like tethering you in place while everything is swirling around. So ammonite in the center, five pieces of Pietersite in that pentagram shape. Activate it with your finger, a quartz wand, a selenite wand in that pentacle. Right?

So actually go into the pentacle and then turn it over to the universe. Just be ready. Be accepting. Trust, like, that what is coming in is for your highest good. But sometimes when things are changing so rapidly around us, when we can’t see the path forward clearly, we really do just need to let go.

Right? Like, you can’t control, like, a runaway horse, so sometimes you’re safer to just let go of the reins and stand still, and, like, that is very much when I find this stone to be helpful. So if 2025 has been, you know, that kind of year for you already, which I imagine it has for most of us, this is a stone to call upon. You can leave that grid up for as long as you need to sort of get through whatever those changes are that are happening, but remember to go back to it regularly to do some breathing, to sort of anchor in place. And one thing I really like to do is just follow the pattern of that ammonite spiral in and out with my eyes.

Just look and trace that with my eyes. So just kind of going in and out. And if you wanna do this with your finger too and get, you know, really involved, like, more tactilely and feel that sort of journey to the center and then back out, It’s so representative of kind of going within, letting things go, and then reemerging into something new. So that great transformative power.

Adam: I love that idea you’ve got there actually about working with grids, and we probably don’t talk enough about grids on these confabs. But I was wondering also, I love working with that pentagram energy. It’s funny, in my book, Crystal Connections, I’ve, you know, actually got the pentagram drawn in, on the Pietersite chat that so I think it works really, really well. Do you think it could also work well, if you kind of expand that and maybe even like laying down in a pentagram position, and putting one on each extremity of our body and maybe the ammonite on your heart, or even in a magic circle. You know, what I love about a magic circle is we spend a lot of time focusing on it for protection, but it’s also a container for raising that energy.

Because if you’re just raising energy anywhere, we just dissipate that into the universe. So do you think it could be a really great one for empowering ourselves or empowering a circle as well?

Ashley: I love that train of thought, Adam, and I absolutely think that. So, like, especially if you’re in that space where you are feeling a little lost, a little uncertain, a little unsure of where you’re headed, but you feel like you do know where you wanna go, raise energy in that container. Put it toward that intention. Or even if your intention just is, like, transformation, get me the heck out of whatever is going on currently, like, that’s okay too. But I I like the idea of expanding that into a layout.

It’s actually not something I’ve tried before, but now I really wanna test that out. I mean, if everyone is kind of thinking about, you know, the very famous drawing of the Vitruvian man, we’re already in that shape. Right? We already have our five points. And then I think you could take that ammonite, and you could put it over your belly, you could put it over your heart, you could put it on your brow, wherever it sort of makes sense to you.

But just having it be in that space, I think the heart, especially where all those points kind of come together could be a really great placement for it. And if anyone tries that out, leave us a comment because I would love to hear how it goes for you.

Adam: Yeah. Definitely. I love that you pair it with an ammonite. And I know we’re gonna be talking about that in an upcoming episode very, very soon. You know, one of the things that anyone who’s got my book or watch my YouTube videos or my channel knows is that I always recommend different elements of nature to cleanse a different fire, water, sun or the moon.

But there are a few, and Piersite’s one of them where I’m like, get it out in the lightning storm. And, you know, I have a little weather warning whenever I’m in a city and I get a thunderstorm. I’m like, Piersite, tanzanite, fulgurite, fenekite, cinnabar, and covalite. I like to get out and absorb that lightning as well. But I’d love to know from maybe the gents as well.

Kyle, are there any crystals you find pair really well with Piersite for that kind of electric power empowering energy?

Kyle Perez: Absolutely. For me, I’m gonna throw all of the Tektites and Impactites into the ring, whether it be Libyan Desert Glass, Moldavite, Tibetan Tektite, Australite, Darwin Glass, whatever flavor of those. I also really love Columbianite. That kind of explosive volcanic energy, I think, really works really nicely with it as well. But then something on the completely opposite end of the spectrum, something as simple as smoky quartz is often a go to for me with Pietersite.

Like, I’ll go for something really simple and grounding to pair with that awesome chaotic power.

Adam: What about yourself, Nicholas?

Nicholas: I have a couple that I like to pair it with. One of which is rodentite because they they have seemingly antithetical actions, but I actually find that the emotionally stabilizing forces of rodentite can help with kind of, like, the symptomatic level of the chaos we’re experiencing, whereas the Pietersite helps us really adapt to whatever the core cause of it might be. So if we’re going through some turbulence, I think that’s a really empowering combo. And I have another mineral that I like to pair with it that also seems kind of strange, and that’s celestite. So there is there is some some line of reasoning here, but but it starts with reading about a connection between, Pietersite and the kind of angelic realms and a couple of works that are predominantly channeled, which which was a a thing I was far more into in my teens when I was getting into Pietersite than I am today.

But in exploring other gems that had this kind of angelic quality, Celestite stood out as being a really great partner for Pietersite. One, we can get beautifully structured crystals from it as opposed to the kind of chaotic turbulence of this stone. They are transparent compared to the opacity of it. But there is something that is in alignment between the two, and that is the kind of hidden fire that we see in celestite. So it’s a strontium sulfate mineral, and it is actually the source of the brilliant red colors that we see in fireworks and other pyrotechnic displays.

So when powdered, when ignited, when mixed with the right things, it really creates this phenomenal quality of inner fire. So kind of belying its calm blue, usually blue exterior, this inner light exists there. And there’s something about that that really goes hand in hand with the way Pietersite  pursues the unseen, pursues hidden truth, and I just love that combination.

Ashley: I can actually totally see that working really, really well together. And, Adam, I saw in your Instagram stories not too long ago, maybe last week, you had some big storms, and you posted that little group of crystals that are great for putting out and charging in that stormy energy, which I thought was really helpful for folks. I have a totally random side quest question, but I feel like it has to be asked. I would love to know everybody’s opinion on Gaia stone, the Mount Saint Helens green glass, right, that was, like, popularized by Robert Simmons, coauthor of the book of stones. It was a thing before that, but I think he really brought a lot more attention to it.

Is that something anyone has used in their crystal practice? Do we shy away from it? Because I feel like if I had to assign an elemental quality, that would be sort of one of those, Stormy. Obviously, a bit fiery too, but does anyone wanna chime in with their feelings on that green glass, Gaia stone, Nicholas?

Nicholas: So I’m in two minds about it. I actually like that in my family lineage, we have glass workers. My great grandfather was a very talented glass blower. He did, like, lab equipment for his day job, but his great love was, making art out of glass and doing, like, dollhouse size miniatures, not specifically for dollhouses, although that also funded a lot of family stuff generations ago. So I love glass.

I learned how to do lamp work and not the blowing side of glass, but other things with it when I was in college, at the museum actually, to do, like, demonstrations about ways we work with minerals. And so I really enjoy glass. I enjoy natural glasses, like our Tektites, like our Impactites, like lava, like other natural glasses that exist. And this is a fascinating material to me because it is specifically pigmented with a natural material, but also most glasses are pigmented with natural materials. The great qualm that I have is that there and it’s kind of like a game of telephone.

There’s a breakdown in the message, and so it has been mistaken for a naturally occurring material. And I think some folks only halfheartedly mistook it by accident and maybe halfheartedly took it that way on purpose to to misrepresent it. Even though, you know, the people who popularized it were always transparent about what its origins were, We just kinda get that breakdown in communication. The other challenge is it’s really hard to verify. By normal means, a green piece of glass is a green piece of glass, especially when it is man made glass.

So, I wouldn’t say that I’m called to work with it in any great way, but I really enjoy it as a material.

Adam: Nicholas, do you mind taking us back a step? Because it may be I when Ashley said Geisto, I’m like, oh, that’s a blast from the past. I’ve had nothing to do with it for a long, long time. So there might be people kind of sitting here wondering what on earth is guy stone. Could you share a little bit about its origin story and how it’s made?

Nicholas: Yeah. So this is a a man made glass that is pigmented with ash from Mount Saint Helens, which famously erupted some decades ago in the Pacific Northwest here in the United States. And I’m told by someone who knows the inside story that the reason Gaia stone became its popular name is that glass made with the ash from Mount Saint Helens just wouldn’t fit on the tags. And so they had to come up with a quirky name that would distinguish it that also didn’t imply that it was something more than it was. And because it has this energy that reminds people of mother earth, it’s the color of mother earth, Gaia stones stuck around.

And it was never the intention to make that name misleading, but something had to fit on the little label, so the traveling sales reps could hand out those labels to go with it. And, allegedly, that’s where Gaia Stone comes from.

Ashley: And something important that you mentioned just in passing, Nicholas, is that, like, there are a few sellers out there that are claiming that it is completely natural, that it is formed during the eruption, and that’s we know that’s not the case. It’s created man-made from that ash. So if you see anything out there saying it was, like, and a natural happenstance from that eruption, that’s not exactly accurate.

Adam: It’s amazing how much out there there is that you know, I know I sent the group, our group chat a couple of months ago now. Someone had sent me two big green obelisks, and they bought them from a gemologist or a jeweler who had said, no. This is a true stone. I’m like, I’m starting to question all my years of understanding. I need you guys just to kind of tell me that I am on the right track because these large colored glass things just don’t really naturally occur, do they?

Kyle: Slag is slag. Sorry. Right? Slag glass is slag glass, and there are so many now defunct glass making factories all literally littered around the world that you can just go and buy slag if it’s not being made fresh.

Adam: I thought you were name calling for a second then, but thank you, Carl. So, Carl, let let bring it back to Pietersite. How do you find it really powerful? Because we do live in chaotic times. Is it a great stone for you as well?

Kyle: Yes. For me, I am someone that was raised on chaos theory. Literally, my father raised me. Chaos and order. That is the world.

He was a policeman for thirty years. He saw it happen. Like, you have to find order in chaotic situations because they’re always going to be there. Like, life is not always going to be happy and roses and wonderful and easy and simple And it’s really important that you are able to forge your own path through it. Often, when things are more chaotic, it actually gives us a better chance to be the eye of the storm.

And this is where Pietersite really for me has come into its own. I’m gonna see if this piece is gonna show off with a little bit of light. There we go. This is my favorite piece, this doughnut showing off all of that beautiful blue. I have had this one for years.

It just, you know, comes into your life when you’re meant to. But I also have this really beautiful red piece with a little bit of the blue. But my original favorite, and it’s the first piece that I got, is actually this one here, and it has a little bit of the gold, a little bit of the yellow. It’s not the most exciting piece. I actually bought it because it looked like Boba Fett.

Like, it looks like his helmet from Star Wars. Yes. That’s how I roll sometimes, and that’s literally why I got this piece. But having worked with it and being someone that as Nicholas mentioned, the cyclonic energies come to WA often and regularly. We have cyclone season every single year.

It’s currently happening in the North of Australia, and I have sat through, a cyclone coming through over the top whilst being outside at the beach, experiencing the eye of the storm, that moment of quiet, and then everything going crazy again. I was on Cable Beach in Broome, which is one of the most beautiful places in the entire world. I was there with my mother and my aunt. We were at the beach. We’d gone for this long day trip.

It was like we needed to cool off. It is 400 degrees and all of the humidity. You get into the beautiful turquoise water and on the horizon is this black wall of clouds. And we were like, it’s just gonna be a tropical storm. It’s just gonna be a bit of afternoon rain.

We’ll be fine. We were like this in the water because the rain was like needles. We ended up being in the water for three and a half hours because it was easier and safer to be in the water because it was warm and, like, treading the whole time, treading the whole time. And then the eye came over, and I just remember we were in hysterics. Like, we were just laughing thinking this is a bigger thing than we think it was, but it was so brief that it came back again that we had to wait for it to pass over, finish, and then go back to my other aunt’s house who we were staying with and get told off furiously.

Like, we got told off. And this is one of the lessons of the storm. Right? You either let it pass over, deal with the consequences, the mess that often needs to be cleaned up, or you harness the eye. You get into it and you ride it.

You go with it. You let it take you somewhere. You utilize the chaos to create the shifts and the changes. And sometimes those shifts and changes can be a bit destructive. They can be heavy with water or emotion.

But storms bring all the elements together. That pentacle pentagram that we were talking about before, for me, storm is earth, wind, fire, air, water. Like, it’s everything coming together all at once. Ether, storm for me, parallel to each other. And when you can harness all of the things around you, you can really create magic.

So think about it like this. It helped me to, like, break it down. I am good at this. This is my skill set. This is what I’ve learned.

Around me, there are people that can do this, this, and this. And I’m going to use all of these pieces of the puzzle to create my moment forward. I’m going to ask for a little bit of help from the right person. I’m going to not overextend myself because that’s a pointless waste of energy during a storm. It’s about utilizing what’s around and going forward in what can feel selfish ways.

This is the other thing. Like, when you’re in the eye of the storm, you are considering yourself and the big picture. Right? You are at the center of this big picture and it really helps to be so full as we’ve talked about before following what your gut is telling you. This is the thing about Pietersite.

It brings together gut instinct, intellect, and action. These three things, I feel like it really brings together. And so when you can listen to your gut, utilize the smarts that you have because you are smart, you are intelligent, you’re here, you’re existing, you’ve learned things, Use the chaos and take some risks. Go after it. Jump.

Go forward. Step on some toes. Move through the crowd as you see it beginning to part. Like, it’s really utilizing that chaos to create your own order. And you’ll see on the other side of it, there’ll be people still flailing behind you, and that’s fine.

You’re over there. Like, you’ve made your way forward or you actually go, you know what? This chaos is a lot, but I’m going to be here to deal with it. I’m going to be here to utilize it to rebuild something else because when the storm comes through, then you rebuild. You clean and you rebuild.

And it’s often a really great chance to, like, cull and clear and remove things from your life. So Piersite has this amazing energy to be destructive where it needs to be, chaotic where it needs to be, crazy where it needs to be, and grounded and safe and protected for you as you’re working with it. I think it’s been, an empower of my own personal kind of energy, if that makes

Ashley: sense. Yeah. I love this analogy of, like, the storm kind of creating that little bit of chaos and that mess to clean up, which creates opportunity. I mean, think about if you had really let your backyard get all cluttered up and you have an old bicycle and you have a, you know, clothes drying rack, and you have a million things out there, and the storm comes through and blows them all over. And, like, maybe some of that stuff was some things that you really needed to clean up a while ago, And this is just, like, forcing you to do it.

So I really like that. That’s smart.

Kyle: And the other thing is that, like, there are cyclones so my aunt and my uncle dealt with Cyclone Tracy that was hugely destructive in the North Of Australia in the seventies. What that did was change the way that people build houses in the tropics. They’ve started building cyclone  improved housing, and it’s become this really prevalent amazing thing that you see when you go up there into, like, the new estates. You see they’ve got breezeways through the middle of the houses. They’re built with steel.

They’re that’s the other thing. Right? We learn and we adapt. We go, okay. This is what happens.

Let’s grow. Let’s adapt. Let’s change. Let’s go. Okay.

We know that this can happen again, so we’re going to just reevaluate. We’re gonna fix things. Like, the other time we got caught in a cyclone, we were actually on holiday trying to drive to Karajini, which is a beautiful national park in the center of the North Of Australia. And we got as far as Shark Bay, which is still, like, 1,200 kilometers from Perth. Like so you’re still above the Tropic Of Capricorn.

And we get a call from the national park saying, there is a cyclone coming. Don’t come. It’s going to be flooded out. We then got a call from the second caravan park on the way that we were going to be staying saying, don’t come. We will refund you.

The roads are literally going to be cut off by this cyclone. Like, that is how big it was. We were like, okay. Let’s go back down the coast just a little bit, and we’ll reevaluate. And this is, like, again and don’t get caught up.

Don’t get, like, oh, no. My whole life is, like, breaking down because I can’t go here and I can’t do that. Go, okay. What can we do instead? Let’s go here.

And my husband and I ended up having a wonderful week on holiday that was really quiet away from the world because everyone else was hunkered down.

Ashley: I love that. And I mean, it is such intense energy, and I think it reminds us of all of this really powerful force that can happen out there. And, Adam, I know you wanted to talk a little bit about how Pietersite relates to the new moon in Aries, which is also quite a forceful energy sometimes.

Adam: Yeah. I think, you know, this is a perfect time to be really leaning into this crystal as this kind of lunar event happens. You know, just to share one of my favorite passages that I think really kinda captures Pietersite energy, really beautifully is the devil whispering, you can’t handle the storm into his ear, to which the warrior replied, I am the storm. And I really think that, you know, in this chaotic world that we have and, you know, by the time even from recording to this podcast and vodcast coming out, who knows what’s gonna happen in the world next. We kind of get overwhelmed by the chaos around us.

And I think, like, we’ve all kind of been alluding to, this is a really good time to embrace the storm. But there’s also this element with Pietersite I find about there are things we can control and things we can’t control. And it’s amazing. I always think of my father, you know, in the seventies and the eighties, In the morning, he would flick through the newspaper and see what was happening in the world, and then he would go to his office and work for the day with no knowledge of what was happening in the world until he watched the [06:00] news at night. Whereas we’re constantly being barraged by things that are happening all around the world, and we can get swept up by that.

Why I love Pietersite is I think it’s really beautiful and I wanna zone in on the power of lightning. I really think it encompasses that. Now when we think of lightning, lightning is very deliberate and very powerful. So when it comes down to the earth, it’s not like, oh, where should I hit today? It’s like, bang.

It knows what it’s doing. So there are a lot of us in our lives who get overwhelmed by the chaos around us and can easily get distracted. You know, an example might be on a Monday morning, you’re like, right. I’m gonna clean out that laundry cupboard. But I did see some emails coming on the weekend, so I’ll just quickly deal with them first.

So you go check them out, and there’s a few more than you expected, and then you realize there’s a bill to pay as well. So that took a little longer and then you’re okay. Laundry covered. Mom calls and then she bangs on. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So mom finally hangs up.

Feeling a bit hungry, so I better make some lunch and you’re you have you have your lunch and then that’s all good then. Oh, that’s right. I wanna see Brad Pitt on that talk show today, so you gotta watch that. And Monday’s disappeared. And Tuesday and Wednesday, and you get to the end of the week, and you still haven’t actually got to that laundry cupboard.

I would use Pietersite for focusing on the things that are important to you. Now that’s really it’s really great for keeping it cool in things like in Christmas time and the holiday season when you’re trying to find a car parking spot as well. Just don’t lose your cool. Now in the context of the new moon in Aries, which is happening, Aries is the sign of self awareness, of coming back to ourselves. And a lot of the time when Aries comes around, I talk about, you know, making sure that you’re giving to yourself and not worrying about other people.

But in this context, I think that’s a really good time to focus on, well, what can I do in this chaotic time? How can I be that storm? And how can I be an element of change, firstly, for myself and keep evolving and growing and progressing? And two, how can I actually contribute amongst the chaos to make this world a better place? I think sitting with Pietersite, feeling that electric energy building in and, you know, we’ve talked about Ashley gave a great idea for a grid.

We expanded. You could do it as a laying out grid or, you know, putting it around the space. And I’d really build that energy on that new moon in Aries to go, how can I be this powerful being in the earth on this earth and direct energy to my own intentions and looking after myself and shining my light in the world and being a little bit of positivity amongst what sometimes ends chaos? And that doesn’t have to be something monumental. It could just be this resolution of, like, I’m not gonna let anyone upset my bliss and my happiness.

I’m just gonna be nice and smile with a smile and tell jokes to everyone all day and lift everyone up. But it really helps you. Pietersite is an amazing one and I really love especially for that focus, the bluer Piersite for really helping you to focus on what’s important to you. When it comes to essential oils, it pairs really beautifully with basil. Now basil is really great for adrenal fatigue. And often when we’re fatigued, it’s because we’re trying to be everything to everyone.

And the ancient Greeks would actually say that basil helps to put a scorpion in the mind. So can you kind of see these analogies of basil and Piersite and lightning and scorpion energy? Very, very directed passion. And that’s exactly what lightning is about. I think it’s the perfect crystal to be working with at the time.

We’re still in the midst of a few different retrogrades that are causing people to have a few upsets with, you know, communication and relationships and so on. So I would really be leaning into this, Crystal. And if you haven’t got it, you better get yourself down to the shop very, very quickly.

Kyle: Absolutely. I think the more we expand what we’re working with and the more we embrace things that are, like, challenging energies, like, exciting powerful energies like Piersite, the more we can grow. And sorry. You spoke to my Sicilian heart, Basil. You do not need to tell me how to use basil or when to use basil or to have an excuse to use basil at all.

But I wanted to throw in gridding crystal grids. So all of my Pietersite actually lives in a grid with cinnabar, iolite, golden rutile, carnelian, and morian quartz. Those are the crystals that I have with my Pietersite. And I think all of these things that we’ve discovered, all of this sort of chaos for creation and power and energy. I think if you have any of those in your list of crystals, throw them in and just see what you get because I have this one grid and it’s got all of them with all of my Pietersite, and I always tap into it when I need to bring shifts and changes.

Adam: Is that grid good intention or you just found that they work well together and so you wanted to house them to get the car?

Kyle: It was a bit of both. The crystals will always tell me who wants to grid together. I don’t ask them. They do it to start with and I put them together and then I figure out what it’s going to be. Or I do an intention based one, but this one was like, let’s just put me together. And coming together was like, we can make change.

We can make stuff happen. We can really bring shifts if you focus.

Adam: Well, I really hope that we’ve empowered everyone to grab their Pietersite. And if you haven’t got it, this is definitely one you need to have in your collection. I don’t think any of us would dispute that. Go get your Pietersite this week. Have a play with it.

Feel that power raised within you and around you and go and create a little whirlwind of your own. We’ll be back next week to talk about another crystal on Crystal Confab. Until then, take care and blessed be.

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